[blml] Profit from irregularites

[Sven Pran]

> On Behalf Of Eric Landau
> >.............
> > > Also, some might argue that you don't always need an *agreement* to
> > take
> > > advantage of an opponent's infraction. Suppose, for example: Your
> > normal
> > > agreement is to play take-out doubles over pre-ements. LHO opens
> > 3H, out
> > > of turn. The director tells partner his options and  he elects to
> > accept
> > > the  opening bid and double.  IMO, that is likely to be penalties. Not
> > > by convention or agreement. Just *general bridge knowledge*. I assume
> > > that this is one of Eric Landau's "interesting possibilities".
> >
> >The laws are already crystal clear here: Once partner has accepted this
> >opening bid out of turn it is to be treated as if it were legal; that
> >is as
> >if LHO was in fact the dealer. So your agreements on doubles over
> >pre-empts
> >obviously apply, and if you have any other understanding with your
> partner
> >on the double in this case that will be a concealed partnership
> >understanding.
> 
> That misses Nigel's point entirely.  Sven says that "your agreements...
> obviously apply", but Nigel is talking about cases where common,
> ordinary bridge logic tells you that your agreements obviously cannot
> apply and still make sense, without the need for "any other
> understanding".  So you do what makes sense in the context of the hand,
> "not by convention or agreement[;] just *general bridge knowledge*",
> and hope your partner's application of "general bridge knowledge" more
> or less parallels your own.  You cannot have a "concealed partnership
> agreement" without having a partnership agreement.

Can someone please stick to the facts and explain in clear, understandable
language why an opening bid out of turn that has been made legal (accepted
by the offender's LHO) is to be treated any different from the same opening
bid in the same position except that this time the bid is made in turn?

There was no question of insufficient bid in this case so please avoid
referring to the rules on IB.

Sven