[blml] convention

[Wayne Burrows]

On 16/12/06, Laszlo Hegedus <hegelaci at cs.elte.hu> wrote:
> Mike Amos wrote:
>
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Sven Pran" <svenpran at online.no>
> >
> >
> >
> >>>On Behalf Of John Probst
> >>>4N P 5H.  4N is direct Ace ask, not Black
> >>>
> >>>Is 5H a conventional call? "...length or values...". The HA is values.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Yes:
> >>
> >>Convention: 1. A call that, by partnership agreement, conveys a meaning
> >>other than willingness to play in the denomination named (or in the last
> >>denomination named), or high-card strength or length (three cards or more)
> >>there. However, an agreement as to overall strength does not make a call a
> >>convention.
> >>
> >>The 5H bid conveys a meaning other than willingness to play in Hearts.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >But Sven that doesnt make it a convention
> >
> >
> >There are three clauses in the definition
> >
> >willingness to play in the denomination named (or in the last denomination
> >named)
> >
> >or high-card strength
> >
> >or length (three cards or more) there
> >
> >IMHO 5H shows high card strength and so is NOT a convention
> >
> >
> No, it does not show high card strength in general, it does not mean: "I
> have good heart-suit". It shows exactly the Ace of hearts, so YES, this
> is a convention.
>

Last time I check most authorities considered the Ace a high-card.
There is no "in general" in the definition.  Why do you feel the need
to add it.

5H shows high-card strength in hearts it is therefore by the
definition not conventional.

Wayne