[blml] Amnesia

[John Probst]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roger Pewick" <axman22 at hotmail.com>
To: "blml" <blml at rtflb.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: [blml] Amnesia


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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Probst" <john at asimere.com>
> To: "blml" <blml at rtflb.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 7:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [blml] Amnesia
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>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Tim West-Meads" <twm at cix.co.uk>
>> To: <blml at rtflb.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 10:33 AM
>> Subject: RE: [blml] Amnesia
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>>
>>> Sven wrote:
>>>
>>>> But the auction wasn't over! The auction period ends when the opening
>>>> lead is faced
>>
>> Max is entirely clear that auction and auction period are the same thing.
>
> For Max, or anyone else, to be entirely clear about something does not 
> preclude him from being at the same time entirely daft in what he is being 
> clear about.
>
> In other words it is all well and good to be clear, but it is less than 
> satisfactory to be clear yet not be accurate.
>
> Once it is specified the point upon which calls may not be appended [a 
> call followed by three passes in rotation]  to an auction then the auction 
> is complete- it  has ended- or using the word of the day, it is over. 
> However, as provision has been made to cancel calls, then in the event 
> that calls from a completed auction have been canceled then the auction 
> becomes incomplete [at which point calls may be appended] and remains so 
> until it becomes complete.
>
>
>> The auction is *not* over until we have a faced opening lead by a 
>> defender. This is obvious because we still have correction of MI, 
>> roll-back and continuance of auction to get through before the opening 
>> lead is made.
>
> I will suggest that once the opening lead has been faced that is the point 
> at which calls in a completed auction may no longer be canceled [an such].

and we define the correct procedure for an opening lead, and we cater for 
the wrong defender opening OOT, but we don't cater for declarer OOT so 
declarer's faced card is not an opening lead.  I continue, strongly, to aver 
that we are still in the auction period, and indeed we could still back up 
the auction if there were MI. I can be persuaded that defender's may be able 
to say "I accept" in which case we now have a lead, and dummy must be faced 
before LHO plays, but I have my doubts even on that point as I think it is 
still a card faced during the auction.   John
>
> regards
> roger pewick
>
>
>
>>> Tim
>
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