[blml] 25 something ?

[Roger Pewick]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jean-Jacques Lafay" <jjlbridge at free.fr>
To: <blml at rtflb.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 4:25 PM
Subject: [blml] 25 something ?


> Here is what happened yesterday (Teams, high level but played in clubs
> with no director immediately available, although one can be reached by
> phone if necessary).
>
> 2D   -    2S   -
> 3S   -    4S   -
> 4NT  -    5C   -
> 5D   X    -    -
> ??
>
> not that it matters very much, but here is the meaning :
>
> 2D was (french style) forcing to game, 2S showed a major Ace, 3S
> natural, 4S a fit but nothing else interesting to mention, 4NT asked
> about kings, 5C showed (as expected) none, 5D was a further enquiry,
> probably related to the SQ, pass over the double of 5D denied anything
> else of even remote value.
>
> The trouble is that opener did not notice LHO's double and thought that
> responder had a (very) blind spot and had passed 5D ! So he was under
> the impression that the auction was over, and that he was playing 5D. He
> therefore removed his bidding cards, which is of course normally viewed
> as meaning "pass". As a matter of fact, he is (as the vast majority of
> players) unaware of the various possibilities where a "call" can be
> changed, he did not try to change anything when he realized he was
> actually playing in 5D *doubled*, went 3 down for a loss of 14IMPs (6S
> was on thanks to the 2-2 split, but was not bid at the other table).
>
> I was wondering what the ruling should be if the player had tried to do
> something when he realized what was going on : he did not really called
> (he did not even know he had to call !), so if we judge that removing
> the bidding card is a "pass", then it should be inadvertent, although
> not a "slip of the hand", shouldn't it ?
>
> Jean-Jacques.



imo when a player in pass out position returns [at his turn to call] his 
cards to the box rather than overtly making a call he has passed.  In the 
case described [as it was at his own misunderstanding] L21A specifies there 
is no indemnity.  And L39 specifies should he thereafter call, that call is 
canceled.



Not withstanding the ominous 'Until LHO calls' [L25B].



regards

roger pewick