[blml] EBL 2004 appeal number 10 [SEC=UNOFFICIAL]

[Laszlo Hegedus]

richard.hills at immi.gov.au wrote:

>(1) Should a natural call which has a logical meaning be alerted?
>
>(2) Should the answer to question (1) be different if many
>players use that call in an unnatural and illogical way?
>
>
>
>Open Teams Round 24 Board 13.
>Dealer North. All Vulnerable.
>
>\        QJ965
>  \      QT9
>    \    83
>      \  932
>KT3     \       A872
>K76542    \     ---
>9           \   QJT7
>T85           \ AQJ76
>         4      \
>         AJ83     \
>         AK6542     \
>         K4           \
>
>West       North      East       South
>Townsend   Lindkvist  Gold       Fredin
>---        Pass       1C         2H
>Pass       Pass       Dble       Redble
>Pass?       
>
>Comments:
>2H: 4H and 5+ minor intermediate, Redble showed a good hand
>(*) first and second version of the auction, after the Director
>ruled that the Pass could be changed
>
>Contract: Three Diamonds doubled, played by South
>
>Lead: C5
>
>Result: 8 tricks, NS -200
>
>The Facts:
>West's second Pass was not alerted, at neither side of the
>screen.
>When East also passed, North asked what West's pass meant, and
>he was told it was an indication that West would also have
>passed the Double (without a Redouble). North then called the
>Director, because he thought such a meaning ought to be
>alertable.
>
>  
>
The main problem is that a "pass" bid has two different "natural" meaning.

A, There's nothing more to say about my hand, no additional strength or 
special distribution which i could show using our system

B, I'd like to play the last bidden contract

In the hand above it's a real huge problem which methode EW uses. 
Suppose they have an agreement and both of them play the same. Should 
they alert or no?

There are lots of consistent anwsers to this question.

P1, They should alert none of the two situations. Opponents know there 
are two possibilities, so if important they can enquier for that.

P2, A is the usual method, so alert if B.

P3, B is the logical method so alert if A.

P4, The most of the players (including experts) have no agreement to 
this situation, so the pass can be the both type of hand. If EW has an 
agreement --- does not matter A or B --- they should alert.


As I see, there are no law or regulation and nothing in the alert policy 
which correctly anwsers to this question. There may are anwsers in NBOs' 
rulebooks but not in WBF alerpolicy. Of course if someone likes one of 
the P1, P2, P3, P4 points better then the others he can explain it, but 
I don't think he is right. It's a thing which is missing from the WBF 
alert policy but should be in the next edition. We should think about 
what's the best solution.

I think P3 does not work, cos the the majority of players who play A or 
play nothing do not understand there is something to alert. The other 
three Points can be good but I think the P1 is the best. Using screen 
there's normal in this situation if someone asks the meaning of this 
pass and no misinformation to partner. Without screen anyway in lots of 
cases the alert can inform West what his partner think about his bid.

regards

Laci



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