[blml] Any redress or rub of the green

[Nigel]

[Ed Reppert]
It's also illegal. You award procedural penalties for violations of
procedure. While the amount of the penalty is a matter of TD
discretion, there is nothing in the laws that even suggests that such
a penalty should or could be tied to any "gain" a contestant may or
may not have accrued at the table - particularly when the alleged
gain occurred at tables other than the one to which the director was
called.

[nige1]

Thank you Karen. This is fun!

Just to clarify the points at issue...

[A] I suggested that a penalty for law-breakers may be appropriate even 
if the director rules no damage to the other side.

[B] I also suggested that, for some offences (for example illegal or 
misdescribed methods), the director should impose a penalty on the 
law-breakers commensurate with the director's estimate of damage 
inflicted at previous tables.

The former [A] is a procedural penalty. I believe it is quite legal. Ed 
believes that the latter [B] would also be a procedural penalty. I'm not 
so sure. And is it really illegal?

I suppose that Ed Reppert, Sven Pran and Eric Landau may be correct 
under current law -- or under current law as interpreted by some 
directors. God forbid that a director do more work or be subjected to 
more hassle :)

Especially as "protecting the field" is such an unpopular and 
unfashionable cause -- as far as directors are concerned. The field may 
have a different view :) especially if the law-breakers would otherwise 
win the event :(

For some directors there is an unwritten "Three Wise Monkey" law that 
completely nullifies 81C6 :)

Luckily for the game, I am sure that bolshier directors, who are called 
for one alleged infraction, sometimes rule different or additional 
infractions.

If this is not the current law then we can but hope that the law-makers 
will rectify the anomaly in the new edition. If it is the current law 
then perhaps they will be kind enough to clarify it.

Please -- no quibbles -- note that *putative* infractions need 
*investigation* before they are *established*

[TFLB 81C6]
The Director’s duties and powers normally include the following ... to 
rectify an error or irregularity of which he becomes aware in any 
manner, within the correction period established in accordance with 79C.