[blml] claim

[koen]

Eric Landau wrote:

>On Dec 11, 2007, at 6:55 AM, Koen Grauwels wrote:
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>>Yesterday I was called at the table for the case described below.  
>>Both West and I are (inexpereinced and playing) Club directors.  
>>West did send me a mail to ask to review my decision. West is the  
>>best player at the table, the other 3 players are at best  
>>intermediate.
>>Mail be West:
>>"These were the hands when North plays a small club in a NT  
>>contract. South (dummy) has only small cards left, but no Clubs.
>>North       East       South      West
>>C:Jxxx      C:Q10      dummy      H: A
>>            H:xx                  D: 1098
>>North plays a small Club and East shows his cards and says: "Two  
>>clubs for me and the rest is for you". West immediatly protests  
>>because he still has Heart Ace and 3 free diamonds (all higher  
>>diamonds are gone).
>>Now there follows a lot of rumour/discussion at the table because  
>>of the protest of West (unauthorized information?), after which  
>>some of the cards come on the table. West is not sure in which  
>>sequence the cards come on the table; according to North first club  
>>Queen and then Club Ten, so North now asks 3 tricks. The sequence  
>>of club Queen followed by the Ten is not important because further  
>>play after the claim should be cancelled.
>>The Tournement director now has to decide how many tricks E-W make  
>>in case of normal completion of the play. It is clear that East  
>>will make his 2 tricks (club Ten followed by the Queen) in case of  
>>normal play. Other play by East would be unrealistic and should  
>>therefor not be taken into account according the rules. Because  
>>East now has left only Hearts, West will make the remaining tricks.  
>>There are no other possibilities.
>>I rememeber that some years ago there was a similar case at a World  
>>championship. Declarer claimed and would make his contract. The  
>>opps protest and demand to continue the play. When continuing the  
>>play the declarer makes an error (caused by the rumour at the  
>>table) and goes down. The TD has given the claimed tricks to the  
>>declarer as normal play and has cancelled the play and error that  
>>happened after the claim at the table."
>>My comments:
>>- East confirmed that he did first Club Q on the table (that was  
>>after the claim and after the dicussions at the table).
>>- If East does not know that North still has Club J then it is not  
>>unrealistic that we would play Club Q instead of club T? I agree  
>>that play can not continue after cards are shown, but the 'play' of  
>>the club Q indicates that it is a possibility? Also the claim in  
>>itself indicates it because East did not know that West could still  
>>have Heart Ace.
>>- I ruled 3 tricks for N-S (Club Q followed by club T). I'm not  
>>100% happy with that ruling as I don't want to discourage claims  
>>and probably West has a point that the 'play' of club Q can have  
>>been caused by the rumours at the table.
>>Your comments?
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>I'd have awarded the remaining four tricks to E-W.  The table action  
>after the claim is irrelevant.  E claimed two club tricks and gets  
>them.  It would not be "normal" (i.e. it would be "irrational", per  
>the 1997 footnote) for W to throw the HA to keep more than one  
>diamond, and he will thus take the last two tricks perforce.
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>It would be a different story had E claimed three tricks holding -/ 
>x/-/KQ10, as it would probably not be "irrational" for W to pitch the  
>HA from -/A/10/- at trick 12.
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>Eric Landau
>1107 Dale Drive
>Silver Spring MD 20910
>ehaa at starpower.net
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...sorry to ask again (I agree it is irrational for West todiscard Heart 
A)...
Considering that East :
- played club Q followed by the T after the claim and the discussion,
- did apparantly not know that West could have Heart A and free diamonds,
- is not a good player,
- It is very well possible - even likely - that he did not know that 
Club J is still in the play.
=> Is it irrational or very unlikely that he would actually have played 
the club Q followed by the T if he would not have claimed?
Is giving 3 tricks to N-S a very bad ruling (I think you either give 
none or 3 to N-S)?
Thanks again,
Koen


 


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