[blml] reservation of rights (was when too late)

[John Probst]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eric Landau" <ehaa at starpower.net>
To: "Bridge Laws Discussion List" <blml at rtflb.org>
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 9:49 PM
Subject: Re: [blml] reservation of rights (was when too late)


> At 01:39 PM 1/5/07, WILLIAM wrote:
>
Kojak:
>>At the huge risk of trying to simplify THIS discussion (the reservation of
>>rights under Law 16 a 1.) I offer:
>>
>>In ACBL not establishing the facts of UI immediately when an action
>>occurred
>>frequently made it extremely difficult to rule later when both sides were
>>yelling "You did" "I didn't" "etc.".

snip

but then I have always felt that TDs were to
>>do the
>>best possible job. That way at least the facts were a given.

Eric:
> I must confess that I don't quite follow what Kojak is telling us.  It
> sounds like he is saying that because we in the ACBL are more
> "litigious" than elsewhere (probably true), we are more prone than
> others to confront TDs with "yes you did/no I didn't" sorts of disputes
> (probably also true), and that the L16A1 election serves to reduce the
> animosity collectively generated by such disputes (and the migraines
> they give TDs who have to "find the facts" in such cases) by simply
> reducing their number.  IOW, if players are going to indulge in
> shouting matches when one side accuses the other of having broken
> tempo, the least we can do to keep things as civil and manageable as
> possible is to restrict the occasions on which such childish
> disputations occur to those where an actual ruling might be affected by
> which side prevails (i.e. where some actual illegality, as opposed to
> just a BIT, is alleged).  As the ACBL's justification for the election,
> that's not at all unreasonable, but I suspect there may be more to
> it.  If so, perhaps Kojak will elaborate.
>

snip

I play a lot in Europe and a fair bit under ACBL sponsorship. I TD a bit and 
I've been kicking around here for a while too. I don't think Kojak has any 
extra agenda items above those that Eric is discussing. It strikes me that 
the cultural differences between a European game and an American game means 
that the ACBL election is reasonable in ACBL-land and that other 
jurisdictions can get by without such an election, and I would ascribe this 
[as Eric does] to a somewhat more litigious and argumentative ACBL approach. 
Both approaches have pros and cons and in my opinion the best fit in each of 
the jurisdictions is well found as regulation currently stands.   cheers 
john


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