[blml] Disclosure

[Grattan Endicott]

Grattan Endicott
grandeval at vejez.fsnet .co.uk
[also gesta at tiscali.co.uk]
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ed Reppert" <ereppert at rochester.rr.com>
To: "Bridge Laws Mailing List" <blml at rtflb.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: [blml] Disclosure


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> On Jul 29, 2007, at 4:58 AM, Grattan Endicott wrote:
> 
>> +=+ Concerning (b) I do not think one should disclose one's
>> own belief that 'we are having a bad game'. It is more a case
>> of "should partner think we are having a bad game".
>>         The underlying question is whether opponent has the
>> same information as yourself to judge what that individual
>> seated opposite you is doing. The test, I think, is whether
>> you have information (other than information generally known
>> to bridge players) that you have not disclosed and it turns out
>> to be crucial for opponent's judgement of his (opponent's)
>> action.
> 
> Both members of a partnership have had the same opportunity, as a  
> session progresses, to estimate how well or poorly they did on each  
> hand. Opponents, of course, have not. Well, they have for their own  
> partnership, but they can't know anything about ours. I suppose one  
> could argue this is disclosable partnership experience, but I don't  
> know if that is the intent of the law. If it is, then what about such  
> things as whether partner is more optimistic, or more pessimistic,  
> than most - or than me?  All these seem rather nebulous and  
> subjective - and beginners, whether of the permanent variety or not,  
> are unlikely to have a clue. I've seen players complain throughout a  
> session about their terrible game, only to be completely surprised  
> that they placed second or third.
> 
+=+ I wrote: "The test, I think, is whether you have information (other 
than information generally known to bridge players) that you have not 
disclosed and it turns out to be crucial for opponent's judgement of his 
(opponent's) action."
1. To be clear, 'his (opponent's) action' was intended to mean your
opponent's judgement of his own choice of action. 
2. Herman quotes the question of vulnerability, something which in my 
view is known to players generally. What I have in mind is information 
of which the partners are mutually aware and which opponent should
have in order to be on an even keel with them in interpreting the action.
3. I am inclined to think that how well you are doing is more a matter 
of judgement than of information in a pairs movement. Even in head to 
head teams and some other events that judgement is equally available 
to both pairs at the table and I would not deem it information that is 
not disclosed..            ~ G ~   +=+