[blml] adjudication
Nigel
Guthrie at NTLworld.com
Fri Jun 22 18:46:47 CEST 2007
[AGF]
E/W are playing weak 2s with a maximum of 10 points
The bidding goes
_W__N__E__S
-- -- -- _P
_P _P 2H _P
_P _X _P 2N
3D _P 3H _X
AP
It turns out that E held 12 Points. The contract makes and S call the
director and says that his side has been damaged a he would not have
doubled if E had opened a normal 1H, furthermore West, (holding 11
points and 5D) by bidding 3D had given his partner unauthorised
information. Your comments would be appreciated.
[Robert Geller]
The 4321 point count is just a crude first estimate of strength. Everyone knows it overvalues queens, undervalues aces, and ignores distribution. Anyone who watches BBO or reads tournet reports knows that good players routinely upvalue and downrate their hands from what a robot-like 4321 count says. So if, for example, the "12 point" 2H opening was based on xxx KQJxxx QJ QJ, I don't see what the problem is. That hand is a piece of junk with no chance for game opposite a passed hand.
Furthermore if West decides to compete by bidding 3D, that's his right.
NS took a shot by doubling and lost. That's their problem. But to demand an adjustment is utterly
unjustifiable. They should forfeit the deposit.
[Alain Gottcheiner]
Me too. That's what the "general style" box is for.I'd welcome an "official" checkbox on CCs : "point ranges absolute / adaptable / loose". This case is among the most obvious ; anybody who plays club tournaments should know 3d-seat preempts are adaptable. And anyway I bet that if opener's hand had contained a seventh heart and a little less in high-card strength, the contract would have been made, too.
However, some cases are less classical ; pairs that use lightish takeout
doubles or 2/1, for example, should be careful to mention it in plain sight.
[Ed Reppert]
And that fourth seat weak twos (which this was) are typically 10-13 HCP.
Bottom line, south needs to learn to live with the consequences of his
mistakes, not ask the TD to bail him out. West gave his partner UI by
bidding? Hogwash.
[nige1 cross-posted to Bridge Talk]
I agree with Robert Geller that West had a perfect right to bid 3D but
the rest of the above makes little sense to me.
[A] Let us start with the simple and obvious. The EBU Orange book
defines (Milton Work) High Card Points, *HCP*, as *A=4 K=3 Q=2 J=1*.
Moat Bridge books confirm this meaning. Everybody accepts that that HCP
are a rough measure of high card strength but for those capable of
understanding a short definition and accomplishing simple addition there
can be no ambiguity, legal or otherwise, about the number of HCP in a hand.
[B] Of course, even simple players like me know that when evaluating
the trick potential of a hand we should consider other factors.
Typically, we make point count adjustments for *Hand shape* (shortages
and long suits) *Honour distribution* (honours work best in long suits),
*Honor concentration* (honours re-enforce each other), *Intermediates*
(texture, especially tens), partner's and opponents' bidding (honours
are better placed in fitting suits and suits bid on our right).
[C] Most players are also aware that points for length, shortage,
placement and so on are not *high card* points. For example we realize
that a long suit can be worth more tricks than a high-card but it is
*not* a high card.
[D] It is perfectly easy to take adjustments into account but still
accurately describe HCP. For example, when you open 2H...
-- if you sometimes upgrade 5-point hands and downgrade 11 HCP, then
you can accurately describe the HCP range as "5-11". Better perhaps is
"a good 11 HCP to a poor 15 HCP". If you regard even that as misleading
you can detail your shape and other requirements. IMO, however, you
should not tell a deliberate lie, such as "6-10" if that is not your
real agreement.
-- if you open on 12 counts in third seat, again you can declare that.
The new EBU card specifies how to can highlight such exceptions to
opponents. If you don't declare exceptions, IMO you should alert them. A
few pairs don't vary at all but most pairs do vary requirements
depending on vulnerability and position at the table. Different groups
vary requirements in different contexts and in different ways. Thus, I
think Ed is wrong to imply that it is quite legal to declare *a maximum
of 10 HCP* but expect opponents to know that you sometimes open 12HCP
hands by agreement.
[E] Many players seem reluctant to divulge HCP; most directors are happy
to grant players lee-way in declaring ranges; such sloppiness seems
endemic; but I wish this trend were reversed. Unadorned HCP give
opponents useful and accurate information about high card strength. HCP
may be a crude yardstick but it is well-defined and objective. whereas
there is wide disagreement about adjustments for other factors.
Arbitrary adjustments just complicate matters and blur the definition.
Rigid adherence to the simple law-book definition of HCP would eliminate
legal ambiguity.
[F] The law should insist that players describe shape and other
requirements *as well as but not instead of* HCP.
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