[blml] L9A vs L73B1

[Konrad Ciborowski]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Herman De Wael" <hermandw at skynet.be>

>> The second scenario (partner asking about the meaning of an unalerted
>> call when he failed to do so on the previous 25 deals)
>> would wake up a dead man.
>>
>
> No Conrad, you are treating non-offenders like offenders.

No - *you* are. By refusing to give NOS redress
when they followed the law to the letter.
While you are letting the OS keep their score when
*they* broke the law.

> I have seen many cases where a player claimed he had been misinformed,
> when his own system depended very heavily on a slight change of
> meaning of the opponents' bidding. It feels wrong

Please provide a number of the law that allows to knowingly transmit UI to 
partner.
No "feels wrong", please. Law number.

> in such case not to
> impose on the side that needs to know some more responsability about
> the asking of the system.
>
> After all, the one pair are showing either 2 or 3 clubs, but quite
> often they have 4 or more. The other pair are wishing their 1S
> overcall to show either spades or diamonds and hearts. If they don't
> ask (and even be certain both get the same answer) then it is up to
> them to have the misunderstanding.

No, it is not - L73B1 prohibits them to ask if doing so would create
UI.


> I guess it all depends on the level they play at. It seemed to me that
> in the original question, there was no question of the opponents not
> knowing their system, while it seemed to me that the 1Cl bidder was
> more distracted.

Of course they will claim that there was no question of knowing
the system. Everybody claims that afterwards. That why do we see
all those tranzillion of "Ghestem strikes back" threads, huh?

Seeing someone forget artificial agreement of the first round of
bidding is quite common - don't let anybody tell this doesn't
happen at high level. In the Polish First Division where I play
I rembember seeing a few disasters like that (usually involving transfers)
this season only. Or even if the partnership _is_ on the
same wavelength the uncertainty about it affects their
bidding.

The vast majority of those cases are not sensu stricto "forgets" -
it is not the player forgets that he agreed. He remembers very
well but simply "the hand was faster". Lapses of concentration after a few
hours of playing.
All those Ghestem cases are also of that very kind. The player
simply automatically raises 3C to 5C. If you asked him
away from the table he would tell you 3C was Ghestem
but at the table he instinctively raises to 5C.
In the case we are discussing it is a legitimate possibility that playing 
with screens
North would raise 1S to 3S for the same reason (even
if 1C were alerted by his own screenmate).
Usually 10 seconds later the player fully realizes what he has done.
It is thus *enormous* help (at every level) to receive an extra reminder
before partner makes an artificial bid.

Sending such a reminder to partner so is a very severe infraction.

Konrad Ciborowski
Kraków, Poland 


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