[blml] if or while ?

[Robert Geller]

Harald_Skj誡an さんは書きました:
>On 02/05/07, Robert Geller <geller at nifty.com> wrote:
>> Good question!  It does appear from L50 that the choice is made
>> once and for all, but it would be helpful if the law were reworded to
>> make this clearer.
>> -Bob
>
>I don't understand how you come to this conclusion. Law 50D2b is quite
>clear: It remains a penalty card if declarer doesn't demand or
>prohibit a lead in the suit. Thus, if partner leads some other suit,
>the PC remains a PC, and if partner regains the lead with the card
>unplayed, Law 50D2 applies. IMO it's impossible that this Law can mean
>anything else.
>
>-- 
>Kind regards,
>Harald Skj・ran

L50D as it now stands is given in full below.  I don't think Harald's view 
of what he thinks L50D should mean is unreasonable, but I do think it is
ambiguously worded now and could be made clearer by the following changes:

1. In L50D itself:
"...the offender whenever he is to play, the partner when he is to lead."
-->
"...the offender whenever he is to play, the partner WHENEVER he is to lead."

In L50D2
"When a defender has the lead..." 
-->
"WHENEVER a defender has the lead..." 

In L50D2b
"...not to require or prohibit ... remains a penalty card."
-->
"...not to require or prohibit ... remains a penalty card.  If this option is selected 
L50D continues to apply to later tricks." 

-Bob


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D. Disposition of Major Penalty Card 
When a defender has a major penalty card, both the offender and his partner may be subject 
to restriction, the offender whenever he is to play, the partner when he is to lead. 

1. Offender to Play 
A major penalty card must be played at the first legal opportunity, whether in leading, 
following suit, discarding or trumping (the requirement that offender must play the card 
is authorized information for his partner; however, other information arising from facing 
of the penalty card is unauthorized for partner). If a defender has two or more penalty 
cards that can legally be played, declarer designates which is to be played. The 
obligation to follow suit, or to comply with a lead or play penalty, takes precedence over 
the obligation to play a major penalty card, but the penalty card must still be left face 
up on the table and played at the next legal opportunity. 


2. Offender's Partner to Lead 
When a defender has the lead while his partner has a major penalty card, he may not lead 
until declarer has stated which of the options below is selected (if the defender leads 
prematurely, he is subject to penalty under Law 49). Declarer may choose: 

(a) Require or Forbid Lead of Suit 
to require  the defender to lead the suit of the penalty card, or to prohibit  him from 
leading that suit for as long as he retains the lead (for two or more penalty cards, see 
Law 51); if declarer exercises this option, the card is no longer a penalty card, and is 
picked up. 

(b) No Lead Restriction 
not to require or prohibit a lead, in which case the defender may lead any card; the 
penalty card remains a penalty card. 















>
>
>>
>> Alain Gottcheiner ・・・燒・・・・:
>> >Dear blmlists,
>> >
>> >While rereading TFLB for a response to Herman's last question, I came
>> >across L50B2b (if there is a PC, and partner comes in hand, declarer may
>> >let the PC stand).
>> >
>> >There seems to be one open question : if the partner of the penalized
>> >player comes to hand once again, does declarer have the choice, as
>> >expressed by L50B2 (a and b), once again ? Or is his choice of letting the
>> >PC stand binding ?
>> >
>> >Thank you for the advice
>> >
>> >   Alain
>> >
>> >
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