[blml] Interesting question - HELPed [SEC=UNOFFICIAL]

[John Probst]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <richard.hills at immi.gov.au>
To: <blml at rtflb.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 3:27 AM
Subject: Re: [blml] Interesting question - HELPed [SEC=UNOFFICIAL]


> Manuela Mandache asked:
>
>>>South is declarer in 4S. At trick 4, he calls Sx from dummy,
>>>East follows Sx, he plays SQ, and West discards C4. Declarer
>>>plays CA, West pulls C8 from his hand, moves it towards the
>>>table (everybody sees it, but it's not actually played),
>>>then withdraws it saying, "Sorry, was that Spades the
>>>previous trick? I have some Spades..."


Duh, a card IS played by placing it face up in front of you. Never mind what 
the laws say, this is what they mean. So, while you're waving cards around 
you're creating penalty cards for sure, but you haven't played them yet. How 
do we play bridge?   john


>>>
>>>Is the revoke established?
>
> Sven Pran replied:
>
>>West is just in time to avoid his revoke becoming established.
>
> Richard Hills refutes:
>
> I disagree.  While Sven Pran and Ed Reppert are correct in
> asserting that the revoke has not yet been established under
> the criterion of Law 63A1 (Offending Side Leads or Plays to
> Next Trick), which criterion requires a "played card", not
> merely a "_must be_ played card", what about Law 63A2?
>
> Law 63A2 (A Member of Offending Side Indicates a Lead or Play):
>
> "A revoke becomes established: when the offender or his partner
> names or otherwise designates a card to be played to the
> following trick."
>
> Richard Hills:
>
> In my opinion, a defender waving a card around so that their
> partner can see it would fit the criterion of "otherwise
> designates a card to be played to the following trick".
>
>
> Best wishes
>
> Richard James Hills, amicus curiae
> National Training Branch, DIAC
> 02 6223 9052
>
> Important Notice: If you have received this email by mistake, please 
> advise
> the sender and delete the message and attachments immediately.  This 
> email,
> including attachments, may contain confidential, sensitive, legally
> privileged and/or copyright information.  Any review, retransmission,
> dissemination or other use of this information by persons or entities 
> other
> than the intended recipient is prohibited. DIAC respects your privacy and
> has obligations under the Privacy Act 1988. The official departmental
> privacy policy can be viewed on the department's website at 
> www.immi.gov.au
> See: http://www.immi.gov.au/functional/privacy.htm
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> blml mailing list
> blml at amsterdamned.org
> http://www.amsterdamned.org/mailman/listinfo/blml