[blml] Disclosure f2f

[Robert Geller]

raija writes:
>I think you completely miss the point of my question, which was "What aspect 
>of F2F is necessary for improving?"   You mentioned supervision, money, 
>masterpoints, and national honors.
I'd didn't miss the point at all.  I answered your question directly.
If you don't like my opinion fine.


>There are plenty of fine players who have an intrinsic motivation to excel 
>and learn, with or without a paid or unpaid tutor, and who love the game and 
>its neverending complexities.  They already have the motivation from within 
>and thus do not need money, masterpoints, or national honors as motivators. 
I don't buy this for a second.   Competition is essential to bring out the best
of player's abilities.   If you don't agree with me that's fine, but let's just agree
to disagree,

>Supervised play is easier to arrange online than F2F.
Waddya mean?   You seem to think I mean play with a teacher.
I mean player with a director (or more) present in the room,
and with screens, and without the ability to create sock puppet accounts
to look at other people's hands or to IM or phone pard by land lines during
play.   I don't think very many people do this in on-line play, but the inability
to police it means you can't have a serious tourney on line.


>Online offers automatedly some functions that are very tedious for a teacher 
>or learning buddy to perform F2F and with real cards, such as practice 
>deals, practice tables, recording of all plays for later review and study 
>(with or without teacher/mentor), hand records, etc.
Sure, maybe.  I don't have any opinions on this one way or the other.
But I'm not talking about just learning to play as a beginner, but rather 
about trying to reach a serious ability level.  

>For someone who has not played online, you have strong opinions:)
You seem to have a problem with anyone besides yourself
having strong opinions.  :-)

But for you general information my colleague and I translated the entire
BBO user interface (about 2000 phrases and words) into Japanese and
continue to keep up on this as new terms are introduced.  And I also
was heavly involved when the JCBL started doing VuGraph with commentary
in Japanese.      I've watched a moderate amount of on-line bridge
as a kibitzer.     So you probably won't agree, but IMHO I have some 
basis for expressing an opinion.

Cheers,
Bob 



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Robert (Bob) Geller,     Tokyo, Japan        geller at nifty.com