[blml] AI or UI

[Sven Pran]

> On Behalf Of gesta at tiscali.co.uk
> From: "Sven Pran" <svenpran at online.no>
> >> On Behalf Of gesta at tiscali.co.uk
> >> From: "Steve Willner" <swillner at nhcc.net>
> >> To: <blml at rtflb.org>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 1:43 AM
> >> Subject: [blml] AI or UI
> >>
> >>
> >> > This really happened, and I don't know the answer even after reading
> >> > the FLB (1997 version).
> >> > East leads H-K, strongly suggesting possession of the Q, out of turn.
> >> > The TD gives South, declarer, his options, and he requires a heart
> >> > lead.
> >> > The H-K is picked up; West duly leads a small H, and East plays the
> >> > Q.
> >> >
> >> > 1. Under the 1997 Laws, is East's possession of H-K AI or UI to West?
> >> >
> >> > 2. Does it change under the new Laws?  If so, why?
> >> >
> >> > (In the actual case, East got on lead early and put H-K on the table,
> >> > so
> >> > the point was irrelevant, but the question is still worth answering.)
> >> >
> >> +=+ H-K is 'picked up'.  ?Becomes a major penalty card - failure to
> play
> >> a major penalty card at the first opportunity gives declarer further
> >> options?
> >>     Am I missing something here? I am looking at 2007 Laws 54D and 52?
> >
> > 2007 Law 50D2a?
> >
> > Regards Sven
> >
> +=+ Ah! I'm awake now. 50D2(a) specifies that "the card is no longer a
> penalty card". So defender may indeed play the Q. However, I do not
> believe it is right to say the question is simply whether the card is
> 'withdrawn' for the purposes of Law 16C2 (2007: 16D2).       True, the
> King was played and has now been returned to the hand so that I do not
> see how it can be anything but 'retracted'. However, more to the point, in
> my view, is whether the information to which 50E2 refers continues to be
> information that was obtained 'from sight of ' the penalty card.
>       I do not see a statement that Law 50E2 has ceased to apply to that
> information. If we study 50E2 do we not find that the statement it makes
> is open-ended ?
>                                                       ~ Grattan ~   +=+

Indeed!

And what is authorized in Law 50E1 is just "Knowledge of the requirements
for playing a penalty card". So this law ceases to be applicable at the
moment a penalty card ceases to be a penalty card.

Regards Sven