[blml] AI or UI
Gampas at aol.com
Gampas at aol.com
Thu Nov 22 10:56:20 CET 2007
>In a message dated 21/11/2007 06:34:35 GMT Standard Time, agot at ulb.ac.be
>writes:
>Gampas at aol.com a écrit :
>
>
> >This reminds me of a somewhat different one, where my partner led a club
out
> >of turn. The declarer, having been read his options, chose that I led a
>> club, but I was void. I therefore led another suit, and the director
seemed
> >uncertain whether the fact that I had a club void was now UI to my
partner, as
>> that information was not gleaned from the "withdrawn action" but was
gleaned
>> from the failure to comply with the penalty, but I think that it was
"arising"
>> from the "withdrawn action" so is UI. Those more familiar with this than
I
> >will no doubt regard this as trivial.
>It was a question a friend of mine had at his exam, and the expected
>answer was : "sheer luck : apply last sentence of L72B5".
>The exemple given by the teacher was the case of a player dropping an
>Ace during the play, thereby being compelled to execute the Emperor's coup.
Hmm ... the version of the 1997 laws I possess only has a L72B4, not a
L72B5, and the 2007 Laws appear to only have a L72B3. Could you clarify this,
please.
Interestingly, I have had different opinions on whether the club void is, as
you suggest, sheer luck, or, as I think, governed by:
"16 C2 (and, identically, 16D2 in the new Laws): For the offending side,
information arising from its own withdrawn action and from withdrawn actions of
the non-offending side is unauthorised. <snip>"
It would seem to me that the club void with the correct opening leader is UI
to his partner, as this information was "*arising* from its own withdrawn
action" where "its" clearly refers to the offending side, and "arising from"
means, IMHO, "occurring as a consequence of".
The new laws have 50E3 (50E is new):"If the Director judges that the exposed
card conveyed such information as to damage the non-offending side he shall
award an adjusted score." However, it is the failure to comply with the
penalty that conveys the information, not the exposed card itself, so under this
law, I think the club void is AI under this clause.
I think, from 16C2 (16D2) however, that the club void is UI, and the player
leading out of turn will have the usual duties. But so far, four directors I
asked were split 2-2.
Paul
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