[blml] An EBU L&E decision.
Gampas at aol.com
Gampas at aol.com
Fri Oct 26 10:42:54 CEST 2007
In a message dated 26/10/2007 08:10:05 GMT Standard Time,
gesta at tiscali.co.uk writes:
+=+ The EBU Laws & Ethics Committee asked me to make this
decision known on blml:-
I will not give the full text of the above (as it is cannot easily be
formatted in non-HTML and readers can refer to it) but I was interested to see this
2005 hand appear on BLML as I and my partner Stefanie, both members of this
list, were the appellants.
Indeed, this decision, which was regarded by some at the L&E as wrong, led
to a change some time later in the EBU Orange Book. I wrote on IBLF:
"The new issue of the Orange Book, in section 5G3, changed "any bid where
the partnership has an agreement over possible alternative calls which affect
this one" to be non-alertable. This renders the above double (the discussion
was about alerting a "negative" double - PL) when playing negative free bids,
and the value-showing 3C response above as not alertable (a Lebensohl
situation - PL). Even the last bid in the auction 1C-(1S)-2C-(2S)-3C (if, for
example, it usually shows more values as 2NT would be a competitive 3C bid or other
strong hands) would not be alerted; and we can choose more complicated
examples if you think the average player would know all this.
I was trawling through the 2004 and 2005 L&E minutes trying to find the
reasons for the radical change but could not do so; maybe bluejak or woubit can
advise when this amendment was voted on at the EBU L&E and if there is a
minute about it perhaps explaining the thinking of the L&E."
Nobody chose to reply to this question on the IBLF.
One aspect of the decision with which I disagreed was the following:
"Because N/S do not play Lebensohl N would have had to guess more often
here."
I was asked by the panel at the time what 2NT would have been by South and I
replied "natural". It would appear (from the comment and the appeal
decision) that the panel did not notice that South could have bid 2H to show a good
diamond raise. This is about equivalent to not realising the Spurs goal at Old
Trafford two years ago was six feet over the line. And the chairman of the
panel is regarded by many, including me, as one of the very best. It may be
that the panel would have increased the % adjustment to N/S if it had realised
that 2H would have shown a good diamond raise.
Various comments have been made on this hand; indeed it is in the Appeals
2005 booklet on the EBU site. Both East and West commented on the hand in an
official EBU booklet (East without mentioning he was one of the players), but
North and South were not invited to contribute. BLML member Richard Hills
expressed surprise at the fact that one or more of his fellow contributors were
at the table.
I am more concerned about the change of alerting rules, which seems to have
taken place without substantial discussion (if there was it is not minuted).
I think it is correct that an alert should be made for a bid whose meaning
"is affected by other agreements that your opponents are unlikely to expect". I
would argue that the degree of unexpectedness that 1NT-3H would have been
pre-emptive IS enough, but I can live with the alternative interpretation. It
seems very similar to the alerting of doubles when you play negative free
bids, which was the subject of the IBLF thread.
Paul Lamford
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