[blml] on warning partner not to lead out of turn

[Alain Gottcheiner]

Eric Landau a écrit :
> On Apr 3, 2008, at 9:34 PM, Robert Frick wrote:
>
>   
>> The question is if you notice partner is about to lead out of turn (on
>> defense), is it legal to warn partner?
>>
>> David Stevenson has said that the "common interpretation" is that  
>> this is
>> illegal. I have no reason to doubt this, but I am just checking.  
>> (In my
>> local area, this intrepretation apparently is considered crazy.)
>>
>> He then says that if he is called to the table, he would site the law
>> (73B1) against illegal communication. He would then warn the player  
>> (Law
>> 90) and possibly apply a procedural penalty. I asked if the  
>> defender would
>> be forced to lead out of turn, and he said no. I asked if Law 72B1  
>> would
>> kick in (player could have known at the time of the irregularity  
>> that he
>> would gain from it) and the answer to that is apparently no also.
>>
>> Is that the common ruling? I am having trouble believing it. (It makes
>> sense to me that you don't punish a player for making that warning,  
>> but I
>> am from a region that does not consider this illegal -- I want to  
>> verify
>> that people who think this communication is illegal might nonetheless
>> allow the information to be used.)
>>     
>
> David may be right in his literal reading of the 1997 laws, but I  
> would disagree that it is the "common interpretation".  Certainly,  
> where I play, it is often done and never penalized.  In any case, it  
> no longer matters; it is clearly legal under the 2007 laws:  "...any  
> player... may attempt to prevent another player’s committing an  
> irregularity" [L9A3].  As to whether the authors of the 2007 laws  
> considered this a substantive change or a clarification of prior  
> intent, you'll have to ask them.
>   
So there are three distinct types of situations :

a) player A sees player B ready to commit an irregularity. He may warn 
him. L9A3. Example : B LOOTs face down.

b) player A sees player B committing an irregularity. L9A1 IMHO. He may 
stop him before it harms the progress of the game. Example : player B 
picks his cards in the wrong slot (irregularity has begun) and A warns 
him before he calls.

c) player A realizes the irregularity that B has committed (remark the 
use of Perfect). This is covered by L9B and several other laws (as 
enquiring about revokes or correcting partner's misexplanation).

There are cases that some might wish to classify as a) and others as b). 
Example : B players begins the gesture of detaching a card from his hand 
while he isn't on turn.

This classification needs some irregularities to be continuous rather 
than instantaneous. Any qualms ?

Best regards

   Alain