[blml] ACBL LC Detroit minutes

[John (MadDog) Probst]

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>>
>> So by this logic, no partnership will ever be capable of giving
>> proper full disclosure in all circumstances, and any time you claim
>> no agreement it becomes de facto illegal to work out partner's
>> intention correctly.

"No agreemnt, our meta-agreements suggest it could be this, but I give no 
guarantee"  John

>
> As to the first, of course you can. If two players are on the same
> wavelength, they can inform their opponents of this, no? You would
> prefer them to say "no agreement" and then accept that as literal truth?
> As to the second, you are turning things around. It is not illegal to
> work out partner's intention after saying "no agreement", it is
> illegal to say "no agreement" after you've worked out partner's intention.
>
>> The objective of full disclosure is to provide
>> opponents with as much knowledge of your agreements as partner has.
>> That means fully and completely describing what you do know -- "the
>> area around the holes" -- thus giving partner and opponents the same
>> chance to work out the intended meaning of the call, as in the
>> perfectly ordinary, and entirely legal, scenario offered by Alain
>> earlier.
>>
>
> But after working it out you do know what is in the holes. Take
> Alain's 3Di example. Both he and his partner knew he was showing 4414.
> OK, they had never talked about this before, but are you really
> allowing him to keep this information from his opponents? Simply based
> on his saying "we never talked about this"?
>
>> Isn't this the same tired old argument that you should disclose your
>> guess as to partner's thought processes instead of the truth about
>> your actual agreements?
>>
>
> No, because here we are not talking about guesses. We are talking
> about certainties. As to when a certainty descends into a guess, I'm
> not certain, which is why I won't let Alain off the hook if he tells
> me "I only guessed I was showing 4414", and his partner guesses the same.
>
see above.
>>
>> Eric Landau
>
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