[blml] The real issue of "no agreement" [SEC=UNOFFICIAL]

[Robert Frick]

On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:43:04 -0400, <richard.hills at immi.gov.au> wrote:

> Herman De Wael:
>
>> ...a partner who tries to be helpful, and tells his guess...
>
> Richard Hills:
>
> Begging the question, petitio principii.  Helpful to who?
>
> ABF Alert Regulation, clause 9.2:
>
> [snip]
>
>>> Where a call is undiscussed, you should not offer
>>> statements such as "I take it to mean..." or "I'm treating
>>> it as...".  Such a response is improper as it gives
>>> unauthorised information to partner.

The response of "undiscussed" would also be UI, because all answers are  
UI. If partner thought the bid was discussed, that could be useful UI.

So, all you can do is try to minimize useful UI or or minimize the damage  
done to the opponents. Or I guess you could have a third goal. But the  
justification for this policy does not seem to be logical.


Is it true that players can say "undiscussed" even when they can use their  
general bridge knowledge to know the meaning of a bid?


It would be very interesting to know the meaning of "undiscussed". When I  
agree to play Negative Doubles, I am forming an understanding about  
doubles in that situation, calls other than double, and probably  
subsequent bids. Are all of those bids discussed? Then when I agree  
"Standard American", I have probably discussed most or all possible bids.

If not, than I just had a 62% game last with my partner last night with  
only 4 discussed calls (one of which I forgot and got wrong).

Bob



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