[blml] (pas de sujet)

Guthrie Guthrie at NTLworld.com
Fri Apr 25 16:57:00 CEST 2008


[Max quoted by Grattan]
Just to double check that we are now in total agreement. 2D
opening - 1H undercall. 1H is artificial showing a balanced
13-17. Replaced with 2NT showing a balanced 15-17
(assume this is OK for the sake of the example).

i) responder raises to game with his 10 count. Game makes.
The overcaller has only 13 points. Outcome; they've got lucky
- score stands.

ii) responder passes with his 10 count. Game doesn't make.
Outcome; regardless of whether the overcaller has his bid or
not, the score is adjusted to game going off.

When I come to writing up my notes for the Zone 1 lecture,
I'm hoping beyond hope that everyone already understands
27B1(a) as this is effectively the same as the old 1997 law.
However, from some things I've read of late from other parts
of the world, I'm not entirely convinced that such is the case.
Of course we never discuss these things at International
tournaments because we have screens so the situation never
arises.

[Alain Gottcheiner]
AG : don't agree. At the moment the player decided to bid 1H, he decided
his hand was worth 15. So the adjustment shouldn't be on the basis of
"help from the IB", but on "fielded the underbid, had a CPU that 1H was
in fact less than announced".

[Nige1]
I hope it's your turn for a misreading, Alain :( because I think I may 
be beginning to grasp the gist of the law-maker's sophisticated logic :)

Overcaller's IH insufficient bid showed 13-17 HCP.
His 2N replacement bid showed 15-17 HCP (OK because subset of IB range).
His partner holds 10 HCP

[i) Partner bids a making game, in spite of overcaller turning up with 
only 13 HCP, then that is just a lucky result - rub of the green.

(ii) Partner passes and game fails, then whatever the overcaller's 
strength, his partner seems to have employed inferences from the 
insufficient bid, so the director adjusts the score to game going off.

One aspect of Max's example is puzzling ...

(iii) Partner passes with 10 HCP but opener has 17HCP and game makes,
so that their opponents have not suffered damage and the putative 
offenders have already got a poor score; nevertheless, might the 
director still consider an additional penalty?



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