[blml] 27B1(b) cases and misbids.

[Guthrie]

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From: "Guthrie" <Guthrie at NTLworld.com>
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Subject: Re: [blml] 27B1(b) cases and misbids.


 > > [Max quoted by Grattan]
 > > Just to double check that we are now in total agreement. 2D
 > > opening - 1H undercall. 1H is artificial showing a balanced
 > > 13-17. Replaced with 2NT showing a balanced 15-17
 > > (assume this is OK for the sake of the example).
 > >
 > > i) responder raises to game with his 10 count. Game makes.
 > > The overcaller has only 13 points. Outcome; they've got lucky
 > > - score stands.
 > >
 > > ii) responder passes with his 10 count. Game doesn't make.
 > > Outcome; regardless of whether the overcaller has his bid or
 > > not, the score is adjusted to game going off.
 > >
 > > When I come to writing up my notes for the Zone 1 lecture,
 > > I'm hoping beyond hope that everyone already understands
 > > 27B1(a) as this is effectively the same as the old 1997 law.
 > > However, from some things I've read of late from other parts
 > > of the world, I'm not entirely convinced that such is the case.
 > > Of course we never discuss these things at International
 > > tournaments because we have screens so the situation never
 > > arises.
 > >
[Nige1]
More interesting is the case when partner has *9 HP* and passes.

[John Mad Dog Probst]
Fielder's choice, I think, Nigel. It seems to me that we've converged in 
our thinking on 27B. While I know you hate complexity, nonetheless the 
benefit of getting a bridge result on a few more hands tends in my mind 
to outweigh  the pitfalls of the extra complexity. AAfter all we do want 
to *play* the game between director calls don't we?

[Nige2]
I disagree with John. In my untutored view, Max's argument would still 
apply if responder passed with 9 HCP and game failed i.e.

With 9 HCP, most players would bid game opposite a 2N overcall that 
promised 15-17 HCP. Hence there is a suspicion that unauthorised 
information stemming from the 13-17 HCP insufficient bid may have 
influenced the more successful pass.

If I'm right, the latter example might be more help to directors in 
*borderline* judgements.

judgements which