[blml] 27B1(b) cases and misbids.

[John (MadDog) Probst]

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Subject: Re: [blml] 27B1(b) cases and misbids.


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Guthrie" <Guthrie at NTLworld.com>
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> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 4:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [blml] 27B1(b) cases and misbids.
>
>
> > > [Max quoted by Grattan]
> > > Just to double check that we are now in total agreement. 2D
> > > opening - 1H undercall. 1H is artificial showing a balanced
> > > 13-17. Replaced with 2NT showing a balanced 15-17
> > > (assume this is OK for the sake of the example).
> > >
> > > i) responder raises to game with his 10 count. Game makes.
> > > The overcaller has only 13 points. Outcome; they've got lucky
> > > - score stands.
> > >
> > > ii) responder passes with his 10 count. Game doesn't make.
> > > Outcome; regardless of whether the overcaller has his bid or
> > > not, the score is adjusted to game going off.
> > >
> > > When I come to writing up my notes for the Zone 1 lecture,
> > > I'm hoping beyond hope that everyone already understands
> > > 27B1(a) as this is effectively the same as the old 1997 law.
> > > However, from some things I've read of late from other parts
> > > of the world, I'm not entirely convinced that such is the case.
> > > Of course we never discuss these things at International
> > > tournaments because we have screens so the situation never
> > > arises.
> > >
> [Nige1]
> More interesting is the case when partner has *9 HP* and passes.
>
> [John Mad Dog Probst]
> Fielder's choice, I think, Nigel. It seems to me that we've converged in
> our thinking on 27B. While I know you hate complexity, nonetheless the
> benefit of getting a bridge result on a few more hands tends in my mind
> to outweigh  the pitfalls of the extra complexity. AAfter all we do want
> to *play* the game between director calls don't we?
>
> [Nige2]
> I disagree with John. In my untutored view, Max's argument would still
> apply if responder passed with 9 HCP and game failed i.e.
>
> With 9 HCP, most players would bid game opposite a 2N overcall that
> promised 15-17 HCP. Hence there is a suspicion that unauthorised
> information stemming from the 13-17 HCP insufficient bid may have
> influenced the more successful pass.
>
> If I'm right, the latter example might be more help to directors in
> *borderline* judgements.

Yeah, we'd discuss this amongst the EBU TDs and decide where to plant the 
flag. You could well be on the side of the angels, Nigel, at 9 points.
>
> judgements which
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