[blml] Seven cases where potential UI is deemed more harmful thanMI in the laws
Herman De Wael
hermandw at skynet.be
Sun Feb 3 12:44:35 CET 2008
gesta at tiscali.co.uk wrote:
> Grattan Endicott<gesta at tiscali.co.uk
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> grandeval at vejez.fsnet.co.uk]
> *******************************
> "Continuing to do the same thing
> hoping for a different outcome."
> Einstein: definition of madness.
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jerry Fusselman" <jfusselman at gmail.com>
> To: "Bridge Laws Mailing List" <blml at amsterdamned.org>
> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 3:41 PM
> Subject: [blml] Seven cases where potential UI is deemed
> more harmful thanMI in the laws
>> In all of these cases, potential UI is deemed more harmful
>> than the MI:
>>
> +=+ An example of sophism. List a series of irregularities
> and rectifications; then adulterate the account by inferring
> a speculative basis for the procedures and presenting it as
> factual rather than the surmise it is. The laws, the rules of
> a game, have no need of justification; they simply state
> 'if X occurs then Y' .
> ~ G ~ +=+
Indeed Grattan, that's what the laws only need.
But is it too much to ask from the lawmakers that they write laws that
are consistent? Or at least tell us why they may be inconsistent?
Jerry has done his best in finding a number of examples where the
actions of a player might lead to either UI or MI. In all these seven
cases, the player has options: one option leads to less MI but more
UI, the other to more MI and less UI. There may be other cases, I
would suggest that you try and find them. In these seven cases, the
law tells the player what to do. In all seven cases, the law tells him
to select the option that leads to more MI but less UI.
Now, the lawmakers do not need to tell us why they write laws, but
after they have written them, it is allowed for us to guess those
reasons. When in all seven cases, the same option is selected, is it
so unwise of Jerry and myself that there is a pattern there?
Now, we are looking at an eighth case: the dws problem. Jerry, and I,
have inferred from the seven other cases that it might well be good to
do the same thing here. We even read a number of laws supporting our
idea. Now the WBFLC tells us that we are wrong. We grant the WBFLC the
right to say so.
But does the WBFLC not remotely feel that they might be in trouble
here? Their predecessors wrote seven laws suggesting one thing, and
now they are thinking of writing an eighth one suggesting just the
opposite. Is it not time to think this over before proceeding?
Now Grattan, if you tell me that the WBFLC have thought this through,
have looked at the inconsistency, admitted that it is there, and
decided to still go ahead with this law change (yes, I believe it is a
change - you are making inacceptable things that I thought were
acceptable), then OK, I will accept that.
But don't come and tell me there is no inconsistency, or that this is
just a small thing that does no harm. This is a major undertaking and
until you have grasped the full implications of what you are
contemplating, you should not go ahead with this.
Just a glimpse of what I mean with implications:
Imagine a player giving a "dws" style consistent explanation. The TD
arrives and suspects that this is a dws-style infraction. But the
player says he believed partner was giving a correct explanation, so
he just continued with the correct explanation. The TD is tempted to
believe that the first explanation may well be correct, but he finds
no 100% proof for this. What should his ruling be? And should that
ruling be any different depending on whether the player does it for
dws reasons or if he genuinely believes partner to have been correct.
And what should the penalty be then?
Mark my words, Grattan, this is a hornet's nest!
--
Herman DE WAEL
Antwerpen Belgium
http://users.skynet.be/hermandw/index.html
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