[blml] "Demonstrably" - practical meaning?

[Harald Skjæran]

On 21/05/2008, gesta at tiscali.co.uk <gesta at tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Grattan Endicott<gesta at tiscali.co.uk
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> Towards the highway in Adare;
> Apparently it struck a nerve
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alain Gottcheiner" <agot at ulb.ac.be>
> To: "Bridge Laws Mailing List" <blml at amsterdamned.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 9:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [blml] "Demonstrably" - practical meaning?
> >>
> > (Harald)
> >> Huh? I'd neither expect a notorious overbidder to tank before doing
> >> what he normally does, nor a notorious underbidder to tank before
> >> doing what he normally does.....
> >>
> >> I don't think you can reason like that.
> >>
> > (AG)
> >
> > And here I am again, insisting that, if two trained
> > Directors and clever
> > guys don't agree, even knowing about the player's tendencies, what his
> > hesitation could suggest, then neither could his partner know, which
> > means no UI.
> > Whatever the exact sense of "demonstrably", surely you can't demonstrate
> > two opposite things from the same starting point.
> >
> +=+ Oh dear! Tilting at windmills again, my dear Don.
>        If the finding is that, of the class (whatever this is),
> 40% of players would think A, 40% B, and 20% C,
> any one of A, B, or C "could demonstrably have been
> suggested" (sic).
>        Somewhere below 20% - probably a long way
> below  - the Director/TAC will judge an insufficiency
> of suggestibility and will determine that 'at this level it
> is not demonstrable that it could be suggested'.
>     We must keep in mind that a Director's judgement
> is not addressed to whether the action was suggested
> but to the question whether it could have been, and to
> the subsidiary question as to whether he believes the
> power to suggest adequate for him to believe it
> demonstrable.
>                         ~ G ~   +=+

Well, Grattan, that doesn't help much in the scenario where partner
invited to game after a BIT. If both accepting the game or not is
suggested, what's you choice - bid slam? Or are you suggesting that
both acctions (declining and accepting the invite) are OK? :-)
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Harald Skjæran